
āAnd Iām saying this with this new album: people want to blow it up to some lofty, arty-fartsy kind of a thing. Iām just a guy whoās searching for some good chords, to put some notes on there, and then stick lyrics on those notes to give you my personal point of view of my life and the world that I observe around me. Hoping that strangers like you will find yourself in my songs and my story.ā
Former Styx frontman Dennis DeYoung has a lot to say on his latest solo set, 26 East: Volume 1, available April 10 on CD and vinyl. Highlights of the ten-track collection include an homage to The Beatles courtesy of a special duet with Julian Lennon and an unabashed tip of the cap to his time fronting Styx.
I spoke with DeYoung amid the current Coronavirus crisis and the polarized political landscape that has led to anything but the best of times for the country. Which, for many reasons, led him to write about and sing for the day.
Hello!
How are you, Jim?
Iām doing great, thank you. How are you?
Well, under the conditions Iām talking to you with a hazmat suit on.
(Laughs) Alright, well listen letās jump into this new album here, 26 East: Volume 1. I must say itās as timely as it is timeless.
Thank you very much everybody, and goodnight! I canāt add a thing to that! Oh my god! Timely and timeless! Whoo! Oh, god Iām glad you called!
Oh, good, good, good! So, I wonāt ask you about every track, but I do want to start with the first three. āEast of Midnightā begins with ā what else of course – an epic opening, and it references late-night radio. So, my question: what station did you listen to and who was your favorite DJ?
Well, remember, Iām old! And so, I started listening in the very late 50s with a transistor radio with the little earpiece, mono, in one ear, hiding it under my pillow so my parents wouldnāt know that I was listening. And it was WLS (Chicago). There was no rock radio or FM radio or whatever it turned into. It was just fun music on the top 40 from the big beacon in the Midwest, the 50,000 clear watt channel WLS. And I listened to Dick Biondi in those days, when the music reached me and spoke to me in ways that I didnāt think was possible. So, (track one) āEast of Midnightā is a tribute ā my tribute ā to the power, the majesty and the communication ability of radio throughout my childhood, my adolescents and when I started making records. And there you go, thatās what that songās about.
I wanna riff off of that a little bit by asking you what I often do in these conversations, and that is the proverbial ā and sometimes your actual ā what I call Beatles on Ed Sullivan moment. By that I mean, what was the spark for you musically? Was it a record that you heard? A concert? The radio? Or, in fact, was it The Beatles on Ed Sullivan?
It was before any of that because the album title 26 East references my parentsā address in Chicago in 1962 in the basement. Myself and (original Styx members) John and Chuck Panozzo came together as kids to play music. We formed the band in that basement. And I played accordion. Chuck played guitar and John played drums. And we were not a rock band, we were just playing standards from the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. We were just kids having fun with music. The rock band as we now know it hadnāt even been invented yet. That would come to us in the epiphany of (the month, date, year The Beatles first appeared on The Ed Sullivan Show) 2-9-64 when we saw The Beatles on Ed Sullivan. The reason that there is a song ā the first single called āTo The Good Old Days,ā which is a duet with Julian Lennon ā is because I was writing a song paying homage in tribute to that moment that was in the complete and total Beatles style. I wanted it to sound like a Beatles record and I was writing it telling you my story about how that moment changed my life forever. I was writing it and I thought, maybe, I wonder if Julian Lennon would sing this song with me. I went to the piano and I start writing āTo the Good Old Daysā for he and I ā for Jules and I to sing ā just for ourselves. And guess what? I donāt know him. Iād never met him. And he said heād be honored to do it. So thatās how that happened.
Pun intended here; (using the title of track two) āWith All Due Respect,ā Dennis, how do you really feel about todayās hyper-polarized, partisan political climate?
āWith All Due Respectā is a song that Iām hoping will strike a chord with all Americans. But you know what just happened: this new little devil thatās flying around in the atmosphere and reminding human beings that they are not in charge. They are not in control. And reminding us all something we all know consciously and subconsciously is that we are finite creatures. No other species as far as we know is aware of that fact. Which can go a long way to explain sometimes the insanity and stupidity of human behavior. Knowing that fact has got to affect the way we behave. Well now we have this constant reminder that in fact, as I said in 1977, (lyric from the song āThe Grand Illusionā) deep inside weāre all the same. And the way we divide ourselves between borderlines, color, religion, politics, whatever you choose, whatever tribe you wish to join or are born into, we see now that there is one tribe. Iām hopeful that all of us will learn that valuable lesson. That we are all on this planet together. And hopefully weāll see life in clearer terms. Now in regards to āWith All Due Respect,ā that was a screed against what I think has been happening in this country for some time. Where, people who inform us: their intensions are impure. They want to sell us stuff. Because thatās how capitalism works. I said in āThe Grand Illusion,ā āDonāt be fooled by the radio, the TV and the magazine.ā I said it. I said, āAmerica spells competition, join us in our blind ambition, get yourself a brand-new motor car. But someday soon weāll stop to ponder what on Earthās this spell weāre under!ā These news programs ā both from the left and the right ā and the media at-large is intent on one thing: not to inform, but to sell. They care about money. Itās corporate greed. āWith All Due Respectā is my yelling at the TV. Yelling at the radio. Like you do Mr. Villanueva. Do you not?
Of course, yes, absolutely! Well let me try and shift gears here. Tracks four and five āYou My Loveā and āRun For the Rosesā are ā hereās the shift, I hope ā bot life and love-affirming welcome respites from the more hard-hitting tracks earlier, and followed by āDamn That Dream.ā Define, describe the dream.
The opening line is, āAll my life I have tried to make sense of this dream Iām chasing/trying to silence the voice telling me Iām not good enough.ā Aināt that you?
Yep, guilty as charged.
Hereās what we want. You know what human beings want? Cut the bulls**t! They want a pat on the head. They want approval. They want somebody to tell them, āYouāre doing okay. We love you.ā Thatās what they want. Thatās what we all want. People like you and me: there was a crowd of people and we jumped up above the crowd and waved our arms wildly and we said to the crowd: āhey, look at me!ā Didnāt we? Thatās what we did. We wanted approval. And we were looking for it from strangers. Not just our family. And so, āDamn That Dreamā absolutely gives you insight into who I have been ever since I can remember. Chasing the idea that Iām not good enough. I chose music as an avenue for my approval. I know I canāt make that perfect record or that perfect performance, but I canāt seem to stop myself from trying. And so, itās telling everyone who aspires ā and donāt we all ā that, yeah, recognize that in yourself and remember the person who you cannot please. We have to recognize it, and say, well, Iāll do the best I can without driving yourself loony, all the time knowing that you probably will.
(Laughs) Let me ask you about āUnbroken,ā or I want to ask you about the polar opposite of what the title is. Can you share your biggest personal and professional heartbreaking experiences?
Look, when I was doing this music ā when you were back at KLOS still in knickers ā rememberā¦
(Laughs)
ā¦I was just trying to beat Queen and Foreigner. That was my goal. I was in the competitive fight of my life. I didnāt know that when people were in their 60s, they were gonna come up to me and still remember me with reverence for what I did for a living. This is unbelievable to me. So, I look back and think how fortunate I am to have chosen this profession. So, I thank the Beatles! Guys, thanks! I didnāt know I was gonna go down this long and winding road but look what happened to me. And to all the fans, I just say rejoice in the music. We were just making that crap up as we went along. Guys in a room going, how do you like this? I like it. How do you like that? I like it. Okay letās do it. Thatās it. Making it up. We were bound and determined that our music be the best it could. And we were bound and determined to say something in our songs. So many of our peers ā as you know, you played them all ā who was more socially and personally conscious with their lyric writing than us? None of them! Love Journey, love Queen, love Foreigner. Love all those cats. Love their music, right. What did they say? What did we say?
There are deeper tracks ā and thatās the radio term for deeper tracks on an album ā and then there are deeper (substance) tracks, and I think thatās what youāre saying.
And Iām saying this with this new album: people want to blow it up to some lofty, arty-fartsy kind of a thing. Iām just a guy whoās searching for some good chords, to put some notes on there, and then stick lyrics on those notes to give you my personal point of view of my life and the world that I observe around me. Hoping that strangers like you will find yourself in my songs and my story. Thatās what Iām doing. And lo and behold, miracle of all miracles, it actually happened. We got some stuff right and I can be eternally proud of Styx.
I would venture to say that how it happened was the songs that weāre talking about. Thatās how it happened. Youāve made the impact and continue to do so certainly with these songs. Yet another track for the times. Now, follow me on this Dennis throughout this next question. I think āThe Promise of This Landā could either be a prayer for the U.S.A., or depending on the script, a future Disney movie theme song. And by the way, if it is, Iāll only need about two percent of that (laughs). Tell me a little bit about āThe Promise of This Land.ā
Itās the first song I ever wrote that repeats no section. Theyāre like almost five different sections. To me itās the musical journey, where it begins with the dream of this country. It takes the dream ā both lyrically and musically ā into the direction of what is the reality of this country. And I ask the question: are we all a part of this promised land or is it just for some? I suspect in my heart of hearts (that) Iām trying to lead a cheering squad for us. Because Iām so sick as I said before of the constant negativity. For cash! We will get through this. When the people who founded this country came up with this grand scheme, what it is is a blueprint by which we, the individuals, must keep the promise of this land. E pluribus unum. From the many, one. Thatās the goal. Has it been messy? Itās been awful messy this country. We cannot deny our history. You know the Constitution; the Bill of Rights were written by flawed human beings like us.
The last track is āA.D. 2020.ā Is that intended to be a reprise of the Styx Paradise Theater track āA.D. 1958?ā
Completely! Absolutely! It was my last album, my final album. So, Iām saying goodbye. And thanks! All you people out there that bought those Styx records and everything else, youāve given me a good life, and I just wanted to bookend it. And it was a reflection on the Paradise Theater album, which was a pretty good one as I recall. So, yeah, it is a bookend. Itās my waving goodbye and saying thanks, man.
Well, thank you!
Now you tell me about the record. Let me hear your opinion.
Well, there are epic moments musically and there are epic moments lyrically, and as you and I agreed early on in this conversation, I think itās as timely as it is timeless. Thatās how I feel about this record.
Well, do me a favor and tell all your friends and your enemies. I donāt care if they like the record and buy it.
I will spread the word, my friend. Would you like to share a preview of what we might here on Volume 2?
Most of it ā almost like 80 percent of it ā is already recorded. What Iām gonna do is ā now that Iāve listened to guys like you and girls everywhere that have talked to me about this record ā and let me just tell ya, Iām humbled and shocked because I didnāt want to make this record, but Iām glad I did. The takeaway of the whole thing for me was, I didnāt want to be Willie Mays the last year he played baseball. I didnāt want to be the guy who shouldāve sat down. As we say in the live concert business: better to be one song short than one song too many. To hear you tell me what you like, Iāll have a really good sense about what people liked about (Volume) 1. Itāll inform how I proceed on Volume 2.
Dennis, this was a fantastic conversation and I appreciate all the time. And itās a great record. Weāll look forward to Volume 2 when that comes along and hopefully, weāll get a chance to chat about that as well.
So, let me ask you a question off the record. Not off the record, but itās on the record: me! This is what Iām asking everybody: favorite song? Favorite songs? Favorite three?
āWith All Due Respect,ā āUnbrokenā and I love āDamn That Dream.ā
Cool! Alright my friend, do your thing for me. I appreciate it.
Alright, Dennis. Take care. Thank you. Bye bye.
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